Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 124

02/16/2006 01:00 PM House MILITARY & VETERANS' AFFAIRS


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01:07:30 PM Start
01:07:50 PM HJR25
01:28:39 PM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HJR 25 SUPPORTING VETERANS HOME OWNERSHIP ACT TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 25(MLV) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
HJR 25-SUPPORTING VETERANS HOME OWNERSHIP ACT                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:07:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  announced that  the only order  of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE JOINT RESOLUTION NO. 25,  urging the United States Congress                                                               
to enact the American Veterans Homeownership Act of 2005.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:08:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  ELKINS  moved  to  adopt CSHJR  25,  Version  24-                                                               
LS1274\Y, Bullock, 2/7/06, as the  working document.  There being                                                               
no objection, Version Y was before the committee.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:08:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA  relayed  that she  received  an  Alaska                                                               
Housing  Finance  Corporation  (AHFC) flyer  last  summer,  which                                                               
noted that  without an act of  Congress, Alaska was going  to see                                                               
dwindling numbers of  veterans who would be  eligible for special                                                               
homeowner  loans.   She further  relayed that  HJR 25  encourages                                                               
Congress  to change  the law  so that  veterans who  served after                                                               
1977 would be able to take advantage of the homeowner loans.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:10:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN requested  that Representative  Kerttula discuss  the                                                               
difference between [HJR 25 and CSHJR 25].                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
HANNAH McCARTY, Staff to  Representative Beth Kerttula, explained                                                               
that the  language from the  American Veterans  Homeownership Act                                                               
was included in the U.S.  House of Representatives version of the                                                               
Tax Relief  Extension Reconciliation Act.   However, the language                                                               
is not included in the U.S.  Senate version.  Therefore, CSHJR 25                                                               
encourages  the  adoption  of  the  language  from  the  American                                                               
Veterans Homeownership  Act in the U.S.  House of Representatives                                                               
version of  the Tax Relief Extension  Reconciliation Act, Section                                                               
303.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:12:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CLAYTON  LOVE,  Commander,   Disabled  American  Veterans  (DAV),                                                               
Department of Alaska, informed the  committee that he served from                                                               
December 1972  to January 1990.   He said that it  doesn't make a                                                               
difference whether  it's a 10-day  war or a 20-year  war, "you're                                                               
still getting  shot at."  He  noted that the housing  prices have                                                               
risen  and the  government has  [increased] the  Government Issue                                                               
(GI) loan.   He opined that HJR  25 is a good  idea and remarked,                                                               
"I love it, and it's showing  more support from the state and how                                                               
much they  really care  about the veterans  and the  service that                                                               
they've  done, the  time  they spent  not just  in  the state  of                                                               
Alaska, but  America."  He  added that  HJR 25 is  something that                                                               
would assist [veterans] once they return home.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  remarked that  it's one  thing for  us to  care about                                                               
veterans, and another thing to do something about it.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:13:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN WILKINS,  Director of  Services, Disabled  American Veterans                                                               
(DAV),  Department  of Alaska, explained that his  prime job with                                                               
the DAV is  to ensure that the veterans receive  what they need -                                                               
medical  [care], mental  [care],  and housing  [assistance].   He                                                               
remarked that  things have changed  since [the U.S.]  started the                                                               
War  on Terrorism.   When  troops are  deployed and  families are                                                               
left behind,  it causes a  great hardship on the  deployed member                                                               
and his/her family.  If the  American Home Ownership Act of 2005,                                                               
HR 2952,  is passed, it  will be a  great relief to  many service                                                               
personnel to  know that their  families will be comfortable  in a                                                               
home of  their own and  not be  concerned with renting  or leases                                                               
running out and having to move.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:15:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILKINS explained that sometimes  when one is deployed, money                                                               
is held up and there are  glitches in the system - families don't                                                               
get the  money for one  or two months and  the rent is  not paid.                                                               
He  relayed that  if  the  veteran owns  his/her  home, it's  not                                                               
likely that the  families would have to move because  of rent not                                                               
being paid.   He said that HJR  25 is a good bill  all around and                                                               
noted that  military personnel don't make  a lot of money.   When                                                               
one  starts in  the military,  he/she is  on the  low end  of the                                                               
salary chart.   He opined that HJR 25, a  low-cost interest loan,                                                               
will  help even  the playing  field  and noted  that the  average                                                               
troop can't  afford a  house.   He said, "This  bill in  some way                                                               
says we  care about you  and your family,  and thanks for  all of                                                               
your sacrifices."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:16:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LYNN  declared  a  conflict of  interest  because  he's  a                                                               
licensed Alaska real  estate broker acting in the  capacity of an                                                               
associate broker.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
1:16:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE THOMAS  inquired as  to what's currently  going on                                                               
with  the  troops  coming  home.    "Is  there  anything  in  the                                                               
department  for Posttraumatic  Stress  help  for veterans  coming                                                               
home?"                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILKINS assured  the committee that the  commanders and first                                                               
sergeants  who  are returning  have  all  been informed  [of  the                                                               
available services].   In regard to psychiatrists,  there are two                                                               
in  Juneau and  one  each  in Sitka  and  Ketchikan.   Therefore,                                                               
Posttraumatic Stress  Disorder (PTSD)  is currently  covered very                                                               
well.   He added that  he's a volunteer  and that he  believes in                                                               
helping the  young people  returning because it  was so  hard for                                                               
[previous veterans to obtain needed services].                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:20:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRYAN  BUTCHER,  Director,   Governmental  Relations  and  Public                                                               
Affairs,  Alaska Housing  Finance Corporation  (AHFC), Department                                                               
of Revenue (DOR),  informed the committee that  he's available to                                                               
answer  any questions  regarding the  federal legislation  or the                                                               
AHFC program itself.  In response  to Chair Lynn, he relayed that                                                               
AHFC strongly  supports HJR  25.   The AHFC  has been  working on                                                               
getting the language  changed in Congress for about  15 years and                                                               
it is currently closer than it has ever been.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:20:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG noted  that on  line  10 of  HJR 25  it                                                               
reads that  the number  of veterans who  qualified for  loans has                                                               
decreased to  fewer than  60.   He asked,  "That means  there are                                                               
only 60 people in the state who are eligible for this?"                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA  clarified that  line 10  reads qualified                                                               
for and  applied for.   Therefore,  there very  well may  be more                                                               
than 60.   For  those who  applied for loans,  less than  60 were                                                               
qualified.  She added that 57 loans were [granted].                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KERTTULA,   in    response   to   Representative                                                               
Gruenberg, clarified [that 57 loans were granted] in 2005.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG  corrected that it doesn't  read 2005 on                                                               
lines 9-11.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA concurred and relayed  that HJR 25 can be                                                               
changed to read whereas in 2005.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:23:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG moved to adopt Amendment 1, as follows:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 1, line 9, following "WHEREAS":                                                                                     
          Insert "in 2005"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA opined that  [Amendment 1] would make HJR
25 clearer.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:23:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN announced  that there being no  objection, Amendment 1                                                               
was adopted.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GRUENBERG   referred   to   the   Statement   of                                                               
Congressman Paul  Ryan in  the pill packet,  which read  in part:                                                               
"As you know under current  law, the State of Alaska, California,                                                               
Oregon  and  Texas and  my  home  state  of Wisconsin,  have  the                                                               
authority  to   issue  tax-exempt  bonds..."     He  offered  his                                                               
understanding  that the  purpose is  for these  five states.   He                                                               
asked, "Am I correct that it's targeted at these five states?"                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA replied yes.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:24:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GRUENBERG stated that  currently, [Alaska] is only                                                               
able to  issue general obligation  (GO) bonds for  veterans homes                                                               
and construction.   [Alaska] can't  issue GO bonds for  any other                                                               
purpose.  He  said, "If this is  tied to federal law,  then if we                                                               
amend  this provision  of the  constitution, maybe  we can  do it                                                               
without worrying about the federal law.  Would I be right?"                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTCHER responded  that what makes it necessary  to be passed                                                               
by Congress is  the ability for AHFC to sell  tax-exempt bonds to                                                               
fund the  Veterans' Loan Program,  thus allowing AHFC to  offer a                                                               
reduced interest rate from its normal taxable rate.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GRUENBERG  clarified   that  [selling  tax-exempt                                                               
bonds]  is exempt  from federal  tax.   He asked,  "Is there  any                                                               
other way we  can do this under current law  without amending the                                                               
tax law or is this the only way we can do it?"                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:25:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BUTCHER  stated that [selling  tax-exempt bonds] is  the only                                                               
manner  in which  AHFC is  able  to [operate  the Veterans'  Loan                                                               
Program] and receive tax-exempt  financing.  He acknowledged that                                                               
there could be a way the State of  Alaska would be able to set up                                                               
some kind of veterans' program on  its own.  However, there would                                                               
need  to be  some kind  of monetary  break that  would allow  the                                                               
corporation to  give a reduced  interest rate.  For  example, the                                                               
interest rate  that the Veterans'  Loan Program  receives depends                                                               
on  the cost  of  AHFC  tax-exempt financing.    During times  of                                                               
higher interest  rates, it's approximately  1 percent  lower than                                                               
the  taxable   single-family  rate  and  currently,   with  lower                                                               
interest  rates,  it's  not  quite  that  big  of  a  difference.                                                               
However, it's  still substantial.  For  example, today's interest                                                               
rate for AHFC's  normal taxable program is 6.5  percent, while in                                                               
the Veterans' Loan Program it's reduced to 5.875 percent.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:27:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUTCHER, in  response to  Representative Gruenberg,  relayed                                                               
that he doesn't know how  the AHFC Veterans' Loan Program relates                                                               
to  any kind  of a  federal Department  of Veterans  Affairs (VA)                                                               
program.   He  added  that as  the  years go  by,  the number  of                                                               
Alaskans that can take advantage of it continues to dwindle.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:27:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM  moved to  report CSHJR 25,  Version 24-                                                               
LS1274\Y,  Bullock, 2/7/06,  as  amended, out  of committee  with                                                               
individual  recommendations and  the  accompanying fiscal  notes.                                                               
There being no  objection, CSHJR 25(MLV) was reported  out of the                                                               
House Special Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.                                                                      

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